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So I just saw BOTFA and this is basically my thought process right now.

"I want to write all the Middle-earth fic ever.

I wanna write Galadriel and Gandalf chillin' in Valinor together before she came to Middle-earth. Hanging out in the gardens, and going for walks down by the water, and stuff. I wanna write how sad they were to part, and I wanna write their reunion when Gandalf finally wandered over to Middle-earth, too, so many years later.

I wanna write [Major spoiler for BOTFA.]an AU where Bilbo and Thorin get their happy ending.

I wanna write First Age-era Ecthelion/Glorfindel fic. I wanna write the Fall of Gondolin. I wanna write Ecthelion being reincarnated and finally joining Glorfindel again in the Third Age, after spending so many thousands of years apart.

I wanna write Galadriel and Elrond spending time together in Rivendell. I wanna write the aftermath of the White Council [BOTFA spoiler]driving Sauron out of Mirkwood. I wanna write the two of them sitting together and trying to figure out how to save Middle-earth.

I desperately, desperately wanna write pre-LotR Legolas and Aragorn meeting for the first time and traveling together and training together and slowly falling crazy mad in love with each other (with Arwen's blessing, cause I OT3 those three hardcore). (Note to self: Aragorn is born in TA 2931. The Battle of Five Armies is in 2941. He's told about his heritage in 2951.)

I wanna dig into Thranduil headcanons. I wanna write the one where he meets his elk friend.

I wanna write Aragorn and Gandalf meeting for the first time. I wanna write them traveling together.

I wanna write super fucking porny flithy Bard/Thranduil fic and I regret absolutely fucking nothing."

Basically I am having a Middle-earth crisis right now and I want to read and write absolutely everything. ♥

(This post is basically in lieu of an actual review because I am absolutely gutted right now and it will take several days before I can even begin to try to put my thoughts into anything resembling coherence. Well fucking done, Peter Jackson. I am one super impressed and completely heart-broken Tolkienite. I am never going to emotionally recover from this movie.)

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dunderklumpen
Dec. 18th, 2014 09:50 am (UTC)
That's so interesting because I read all kinds of reactions on my f-list: From "OMG, loved it" to "booooooring" to "hate it with all my soul". I will probaly first watch it in january. But I'm looking forward to it. Although I'm a bit confused about all the different reviews.
twisting_vine_x
Dec. 19th, 2014 12:23 am (UTC)
I will probaly first watch it in january. But I'm looking forward to it.

Eeee, awesome. Hope you enjoy. :)

And yeah - reviews definitely do seem to be all over the place for it. I think part of it might depend on how much of a Tolkien purist one is, maybe? Like, I know most of Tolkien's stuff pretty much inside-and-out - heck, I can even quote from The Silmarillion, at this point - and there have been things that PJ did with the Hobbit series that made me want to bash my head against a wall; but he kept those types of a things to a minimum for the third one, thankfully. There are a few things I would mostly definitely change, but, overall, I thought it was fantastically done (which was a nice change, since, IMO, a lot of the second movie was a train wreck), and there were some lovely moments of humour slipped in among all the seriousness, and he managed to tone down the CGI, and find a balance between the action scenes and the emotional moments; and oh my god, the emotional punch that this movie packs, holy crap. I'm going to be a wreck for a long time.

And even setting aside the Tolkien canon bit - it was just a awesome, solid movie. Most of the characters got their chance to shine, and the acting was - as always - superb, and it had glorious feminist-as-fuck moments when women got to kick ass, and the plotlines mostly all made sense, and it just... it told the story, and told it well, and I'm very super impressed right now. Absolutely amazingly done, IMO. ♥

... Whoops, sorry. Didn't meant to write a novel. XD But yeah. Hope you enjoy it when you get to see it!
rogueslayer452
Dec. 18th, 2014 10:23 am (UTC)
FICS WITH BILBO AND THORIN PLANTING THE ACORN IN THE SHIRE THO.

BILBO AND THORIN LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER TOGETHER.

NO MORE PAIN. NO MORE PERILS. NOBODY DIES AND THEY JUST LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE WITH THORIN LOOKING AT BILBO WITH SUCH AFFECTION LIKE HE DID IN THE FILM (BUT WITHOUT ANY THREAT OF A SICKNESS LYING BEHIND). NO MORE GOLD JUST THEM LIVING A COMFORTABLE LIFE AND A LIFE THAT BILBO AND ESP THORIN DESERVES AFTER EVERYTHING.

*CRIES*

Seriously, I don't think I have ever cried like I did in a movie theater, like yeah I cry at home just thinking about things, but I haven't really exploded with emotions like I did with BOTFA. I was, and still am, an emotional wreck. Like, I knew what was going to happen because I've read the book and I knew it was going to be sad, but I was so not prepared for how it was going to do done, and it was done so well. It really punches you in the gut, it takes your heart and squeezes it and then further rips and stomps on it. Those last 30 minutes were just heartwrenching. Just, kudos to PJ for making this trilogy, for making this journey so emotional. Kudos to the actors for making me care so goddamn much about their characters, especially Richard Armitage who outdid himself in this film. His performance just took my breath away, all the nuances and the way he conveyed the emotions through just his eyes alone, I cannot. And the Thorin and Bilbo relationship, there is no denying that it's canon. Because it so is.

I have read so many fix-it AUs that after this, idk, I just need something that complements how BOTFA did things because all the post-battle fix-its are usually mostly based around what we knew from the book, and the film takes it to a whole new level of feels that I need more of Thorin and Bilbo talking about stuff, you know? Acorns, what Bilbo did for Thorin, Thorin coming to his senses before heading out to battle, his apologies to everyone in the Company, to Bilbo, making amends and then making the tough decision of LEAVING THE MOUNTAIN for not just himself but for others after the damage he had caused from being under the influence of the gold sickness.

I AM RAMBLING NOW BECAUSE IT STILL HURTS SO MUCH. GIVE ME ALL THE BAGGINSHIELD SHIRE AUS. ALL THE FIX-ITS.

*cries even more*

(And of course everything else in this film, too, like Galadriel being a BAMF, and the battle sequences, Thranduil and Legolas and Tauriel, Bard and his children, just, THIS WHOLE MOVIE. I am still processing everything, my thoughts are all scattered I'm just still in mourning because THORIN AND BILBO has taken over my brain, but yes, I love this film, I love this trilogy, and I selfishly want more, dammit.)
twisting_vine_x
Dec. 20th, 2014 06:58 am (UTC)
FICS WITH BILBO AND THORIN PLANTING THE ACORN IN THE SHIRE THO.

BILBO AND THORIN LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER TOGETHER.

NO MORE PAIN. NO MORE PERILS. NOBODY DIES AND THEY JUST LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE WITH THORIN LOOKING AT BILBO WITH SUCH AFFECTION LIKE HE DID IN THE FILM (BUT WITHOUT ANY THREAT OF A SICKNESS LYING BEHIND). NO MORE GOLD JUST THEM LIVING A COMFORTABLE LIFE AND A LIFE THAT BILBO AND ESP THORIN DESERVES AFTER EVERYTHING.

*CRIES*


YES VERY GOOD I LIKE ALL OF THESE HAPPY FIC IDEAS cause like ugggggh. Crying with you. :( I completely get bawling in the cinema. I pretty much cried my way through the entire damn movie.

I was, and still am, an emotional wreck.

Right there with ya. Ugh.



And same, about having read the book, and knowing what was coming. Was still nowhere near emotionally prepared for the movie. Not even close. It really does tear your heart out and stomp on it. PJ just did such a phenomenal job with this movie, and all the actors are so amazingly talented, and everything just went together so well and just... it was amazing, and absolutely heart-rendingly sad. :(

But yeah also the way Thorin looked at Bilbo, in that one scene where he just looked so fond it hurt? I want a thousand fics of that, but, indeed, without the threat of sickness lying behind it. Because that was beautiful.

I have read so many fix-it AUs that after this, idk, I just need something that complements how BOTFA did things because all the post-battle fix-its are usually mostly based around what we knew from the book, and the film takes it to a whole new level of feels that I need more of Thorin and Bilbo talking about stuff, you know? Acorns, what Bilbo did for Thorin, Thorin coming to his senses before heading out to battle, his apologies to everyone in the Company, to Bilbo, making amends and then making the tough decision of LEAVING THE MOUNTAIN for not just himself but for others after the damage he had caused from being under the influence of the gold sickness.

I AM RAMBLING NOW BECAUSE IT STILL HURTS SO MUCH. GIVE ME ALL THE BAGGINSHIELD SHIRE AUS. ALL THE FIX-ITS.


I AM 10000% RIGHT THERE WITH YOU ON NEEDING ALL THE FIX-ITS EVER. And especially definitely fix-its that specifically align with BOTFA. Because - yeah. That movie was really fucking spectacular, in terms of what it did with Bilbo and Thorin's relationship - and there needs to be so many BOTFA-related fix-its, oh my god. I might try to write some eventually, once I'm not such an emotional wreck, and once I've seen the movie a few more times. Methinks the entire Bagginshield fandom needs a giant collective hug right now.

(And of course everything else in this film, too, like Galadriel being a BAMF, and the battle sequences, Thranduil and Legolas and Tauriel, Bard and his children, just, THIS WHOLE MOVIE. I am still processing everything, my thoughts are all scattered I'm just still in mourning because THORIN AND BILBO has taken over my brain, but yes, I love this film, I love this trilogy, and I selfishly want more, dammit.)

YES ALL OF THE THINGS oh my god just so fucking incredible. As for wanting more - yeah. Agreed. Can't wait until the extended edition. Bweeee. ♥

But yeah I think we're going to be trying to process everything and trying to emotionally recover for a long time yet. That movie basically tore our hearts out, and I'm so super impressed with just about everything, and just - thank you, BOTFA, for making what's likely our last onscreen journey to Middle-earth so fucking spectacular. ♥
rogueslayer452
Dec. 20th, 2014 11:07 am (UTC)
But yeah also the way Thorin looked at Bilbo, in that one scene where he just looked so fond it hurt? I want a thousand fics of that, but, indeed, without the threat of sickness lying behind it. Because that was beautiful.

THAT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL. Like, we knew he had smiled at Bilbo before, but the fact he smiled so affectionately and tenderly and openly at him just made me want to have so much more of that. Without the sickness, of course. It was almost like a fanfic come to life, really, since I've read so many of them where Thorin just continually smiles fondly at Bilbo like he was the most precious in the entire world, and THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID HERE IN THIS FILM. I WAS LIKE OMG. I can't wait for all those little moments to be giffed so many times.

(Also, I like how this was how "singularly obsessed" Thorin was with Bilbo, he saw Bilbo as his shining light, his beacon of hope, his good omen, and it really makes me think that perhaps had Bilbo had more time with Thorin, perhaps he could have talked some sense into him? I know he tried, but maybe Thorin would have listened had there been more lucid moments between them, like the acorn scene. Once Thorin realized it was an acorn, a simple thing, a homely thing, something that a Hobbit would be happy to treasure above all other things, he softened and looked at Bilbo like he was the only light in his entire world. Perhaps had there been more time Bilbo could have at least tried to get a hold of him, and interestingly he kind of did when Thorin was beginning to come out of the madness; he heard Bilbo's voice loud a clear along with his own, and just, yeah.)

Methinks the entire Bagginshield fandom needs a giant collective hug right now.

For real. What I love is that on Tumblr people in the fandom are just sharing in the pain, making headcanons, and it's kind of beautiful. Painful because we're all in this NO WHY MY HEART state, but still it's pretty awesome seeing the fandom come together like this. We need all the hugs and comfort we can get. And more fix-its, in any form possible.

As for wanting more - yeah. Agreed. Can't wait until the extended edition. Bweeee. ♥

Oh god, you know how there was so much Bagginshield in the DOS extended edition? Imagine what we might get with the BOTFA extended edition! :DDD
twisting_vine_x
Dec. 23rd, 2014 07:24 am (UTC)
THAT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL. Like, we knew he had smiled at Bilbo before, but the fact he smiled so affectionately and tenderly and openly at him just made me want to have so much more of that. Without the sickness, of course. It was almost like a fanfic come to life, really, since I've read so many of them where Thorin just continually smiles fondly at Bilbo like he was the most precious in the entire world, and THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID HERE IN THIS FILM. I WAS LIKE OMG. I can't wait for all those little moments to be giffed so many times.

ALL OF THIS. I just about had a meltdown in the theater. It really is like a fic come to life - I could barely believe what I was watching - and it really is absolutely gorgeous. So many fics have that moment; and the fact that we got to actually watch something similar is just amazing. I can't wait for it to be gif'd over and over again, too.

(Also, I like how this was how "singularly obsessed" Thorin was with Bilbo, he saw Bilbo as his shining light, his beacon of hope, his good omen, and it really makes me think that perhaps had Bilbo had more time with Thorin, perhaps he could have talked some sense into him? I know he tried, but maybe Thorin would have listened had there been more lucid moments between them, like the acorn scene. Once Thorin realized it was an acorn, a simple thing, a homely thing, something that a Hobbit would be happy to treasure above all other things, he softened and looked at Bilbo like he was the only light in his entire world. Perhaps had there been more time Bilbo could have at least tried to get a hold of him, and interestingly he kind of did when Thorin was beginning to come out of the madness; he heard Bilbo's voice loud a clear along with his own, and just, yeah.)

Thank you for putting all of that into words and I 1000000% concur. I think maybe he could have talked more sense into him, too, if he'd had more time; because 'looked at Bilbo like he was the only light in his entire world' really described it perfectly well. And Bilbo's role in pulling him out of his madness in that scene was fucking wonderful. God. These two, jfc. ♥

For real. What I love is that on Tumblr people in the fandom are just sharing in the pain, making headcanons, and it's kind of beautiful. Painful because we're all in this NO WHY MY HEART state, but still it's pretty awesome seeing the fandom come together like this. We need all the hugs and comfort we can get. And more fix-its, in any form possible.

ALL THE FIX-ITS EVER seriously it needs to happen. All the AUs in which everyone lives happily ever. And yes. It's amazing to watch the fandom come together. It's good to not be in this alone, at least. Ugh our poor fandom. <3

And honestly I haven't even seen the DoS extended edition yet (I wasn't all that thrilled with a lot of the second movie, unfortunately, so I never quite got around to getting the extended version), but I definitely do need to watch it (especially if it gives Thorin and Bilbo some more screen time together), so - I shall let ya know once I've seen all that lovely Bagginshield awesomeness. That's most excellent to know. And I very much look forward to the BOTFA extended edition, aye. Wheeeee. :D
rogueslayer452
Dec. 25th, 2014 03:03 pm (UTC)
And honestly I haven't even seen the DoS extended edition yet (I wasn't all that thrilled with a lot of the second movie, unfortunately, so I never quite got around to getting the extended version), but I definitely do need to watch it (especially if it gives Thorin and Bilbo some more screen time together)

You definitely should! It is amazing, like the little moments between them just make it so worth it. Especially the little extended Laketown moment where it was the epitome of the Bagginshield for many of the fans, and it was reference in BOTFA and it made me so happy! But yeah for me, DOS is my absolute favorite film in this entire trilogy, so the extended edition was just a huge bonus.

Oh, and the appendices behind the scene stuff is also worth it, especially when we see some of the things that unfortunately didn't make it into either version. Like, there was a little segment where we see them getting out the barrels and apparently Bilbo wasn't amongst them and Thorin is calling out for him, like literally screaming and searching in desperation, and I'm gutted that it didn't make it to the final cut (even though when you watch it in the film you can see a few of the Company standing and it looks like they're calling out but without any audio, so idk what the decision it was that they cut it out entirely). But still, they did film it, Richard was playing it so beautifully, so imho it basically is canon.
twisting_vine_x
Jan. 2nd, 2015 04:43 am (UTC)
You definitely should! It is amazing, like the little moments between them just make it so worth it. Especially the little extended Laketown moment where it was the epitome of the Bagginshield for many of the fans, and it was reference in BOTFA and it made me so happy! But yeah for me, DOS is my absolute favorite film in this entire trilogy, so the extended edition was just a huge bonus.

Ooooh, this is most excellent to know. I'm glad to hear there's lot of excellence in the extended scenes. Definitely gonna have to give it a watch. :)

Like, there was a little segment where we see them getting out the barrels and apparently Bilbo wasn't amongst them and Thorin is calling out for him, like literally screaming and searching in desperation, and I'm gutted that it didn't make it to the final cut (even though when you watch it in the film you can see a few of the Company standing and it looks like they're calling out but without any audio, so idk what the decision it was that they cut it out entirely). But still, they did film it, Richard was playing it so beautifully, so imho it basically is canon.

HOW THE HELL DID THAT NOT MAKE IT INTO THE THEATRICAL VERSION THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. OH MY GOD. I'm going to watch that over and over again dear good god. Thank you for bringing this to my attention you're freaking awesome. And yes. I will definitely be counting this as canon, right there with you. Wow. Gorgeous. ♥
rogueslayer452
Jan. 4th, 2015 04:19 am (UTC)
Oh! And there's another thing that's been making the rounds amongst the fandom, which I'm not entirely sure if you've seen yet or not, where Richard talks about a scene they filmed in AUJ that didn't make it into any version where Thorin discusses his childhood with Bilbo in Rivendell. Like, I disagree with him that is was irrelevant because IT IS SO RELEVANT, not just for the Bilbo/Thorin interaction but for understanding more about Thorin's character. It would've been a lovely, lovely scene to see him openly discussing where he came from, the life he had lived in Erebor, TALKING TO BILBO ABOUT FIREFLIES AND THEM JUST HAVING A SOFT, QUIET MOMENT BETWEEN THEM. AHHHHHH.

I swear, when we get those exclusive deluxe DVD boxsets or whatever of the entire Hobbit/LOTR trilogies, we need ALL THE SCENES they filmed, no matter if they're finished or not. BECAUSE THESE ARE ESSENTIAL, DAMMIT.
twisting_vine_x
Jan. 13th, 2015 12:49 am (UTC)
WHY DID THAT NOT MAKE IT INTO THE THEATRICAL VERSION.

WHY.

THAT IS SO VERY IMPORTANT. SO VERY RELEVANT HOLY CRAP.

Uggggh thank you for bringing all these wonderful behind-the-scenes Hobbit tidbits in my life. And, yeah - I so hope all this stuff is on the deluxe sets. THAT JUST SOUNDS SO WONDERFUL AND SO VERY IMPORTANT OH MY GOD. ♥
twisting_vine_x
Dec. 23rd, 2014 07:36 am (UTC)
... I appear to be spending tonight going down the Tolkien rabbithole and reading everything I can on what happen to Dwarves when they die in an effort to figure out if I can maybe possibly write a canon-compliant reincarnation fic. Gah. Fingers so very crossed.
twisting_vine_x
Dec. 23rd, 2014 08:18 am (UTC)
ALRIGHT ka so basically. I just came up with a fix-it idea that I might not ever actually write, but. At the very least, I did some research to see if said idea was valid; and Ima do a wee little ramble about it here, cause I know you feel my Bagginshield pain. Not sure if you've ever read The Silmarillion (spoilers if not), so I'll just kinda explain a bit as I go. :)

Okay, so, basically - Dwarves were originally created by Aulë, one of the Valar (i.e. the Valar are demigods, basically); whereas Elves and Humans were created by Illuvatar, the main god in Tolkien's world, who created all the Valar. As far as I can tell, nobody knows for sure where Hobbits go when they die, but Elves and Humans are gathered to the Halls of Mandos (Mandos is basically the god of death) in Valinor (i.e. the Undying Lands), and they have two very different fates after that - Human spirits depart from the world utterly, it seems, whereas Elves just kind of... linger, in those halls (which is a pretty terrifying thought, really, though at least they'd all have each other for company); though they can eventually be reincarnated into physical bodies, as demonstrated by Glorfindel ♥ dying in Gondolin during the First Age, only to show up again in the Third Age in Rivendell - so. Hell yes for canon elf reincarnation.

Now. As for the Dwarves - there are two main schools of thought. One - what the Elves believe - is that Dwarves turn back into the earth and stone from which they were originally made. And the second (and the one that seems more legit to me, because it falls in line with the idea of basically everyone's spirits ending up in the Halls of Mandos, even if [as with Humans] it's only a temporary thing), as believed by the Dwarves themselves, is that when Dwarves die, Aulë gathers their spirits to a separate part of the Halls Of Mandos, where they wait with him until the 'Last Battle', after which they will be called upon to help rebuild the world (whatever that may mean... it sounds a little bit like a Ragnarök situation, maybe?); and that's for sure what Thorin believes, because, when he dies in the book, his words are, "I go now to the halls of waiting to sit beside my fathers, until the world is renewed." So. Two main ideas about what happens to Dwarves when they die; and I'm definitely going with the latter, because it makes most sense.

NOW AS FOR THE POTENTIAL REINCARNATION PART OF THINGS. I found a wicked interesting essay on what happens to Dwarves when they die (http://www.lotrplaza.com/archives/index.php?Archive=archive&TID=99317) and there is a particularly fascinating bit about Dwarven reincarnation. It's not an idea that's canonically published in LotR, or The Hobbit, or The Silmarillion; but. In one of his letters, when talking about the Seven Fathers (i.e. the very first dwarves that Aulë ever made) Tolkien wrote: "spirits of the Seven Fathers were from time to time reborn in their kindreds," which, wow, is a super important sentence, because it confirms dwarven reincarnation, oh my god; and, also, when specifically talking about the idea that, at times, it seemed that someone would be reborn in the line of Durin because they were so alike to one of their forefathers, that: "[the Durins] retained memory of their former lives as Kings, as real, and yet as naturally as incomplete, as if they had been consecutive years of life in one person."

... o_O

THAT'S IT I'M CALLING IT IT'S MY BAGGINSHIELD HEADCANON THAT THORIN HAS THE ABILITY TO REINCARNATE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF TOLKIEN CANON THIS IS A FUCKING GLORIOUS BEAUTIFUL DAY.
rogueslayer452
Dec. 25th, 2014 03:13 pm (UTC)
I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS. :DDDDD

I have read some fics where there was some speculation about whether Thorin was a reincarnation of Durin the Deathless because of all he had achieved and his legacy and whatnot, but yeah. I would love more stories out there exploring this very thing, including the Bagginshield angle as well. In general, I really love how vast Middle-earth's mythos is, how Tolkien dedicated his entire life to creating this world and these characters so extensively and thoroughly.
twisting_vine_x
Jan. 2nd, 2015 04:26 am (UTC)
I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS. :DDDDD

Ahahaa, wheeee, most excellent! I dunno if I'll ever actually write it (though I really do like the idea of it), but if I do, you'll be the first to know. :)

I have read some fics where there was some speculation about whether Thorin was a reincarnation of Durin the Deathless because of all he had achieved and his legacy and whatnot, but yeah.

Oooh, I like the sounds of this.

I would love more stories out there exploring this very thing, including the Bagginshield angle as well.

:D :D :D

As for the incredible world that Tolkien created - yeah. It's just phenomenal. So absolutely freaking phenomenal, oh my gosh. ♥
bellajedi
Dec. 18th, 2014 05:44 pm (UTC)
I WANT TO READ ALL OF THESE
twisting_vine_x
Dec. 19th, 2014 12:26 am (UTC)
I'm slightly tipsy on this lovely juice-tasting wine and cackling at this comment you're the freaking best. ♥

And if I actually end up writing any of these, I shall be sure to let you know. It's probably going to happen. Definitely in the midst of a Middle-earth meltdown right now.
dreamflower02
Dec. 26th, 2014 04:21 am (UTC)
PJ kept to his altered timeline, where the seventeen years in the Shire never happened, so the age difference for Aragorn is right in line with that, although it is wrong for bookverse. (He was 87 in TT, so in TH he would have been about 20.)
twisting_vine_x
Dec. 26th, 2014 07:53 am (UTC)
Oh, riiiiiiiiiiiiight, of course, those seventeen years... thank you for the reminder! Truly, I appreciate it - I'd definitely gapped on that timeline change. (Also, on a related note, I'm never going to be over the fact that Aragorn's 88th birthday was literally the day they found Gandalf in Fangorn. Talk about one hell of a birthday present. ♥)

But yes. Thanks for the timeline reminder! That definitely helps to make sense of Thranduil's comment about 'Strider' in the movie. :)
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